Episode 74B – Jennifer Lieberman – Censorship

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WARNING: there may be some offensive spoken words in this episode

Jennifer had problems with a solo play and had it censored. This also affected her book and she changed the name. We discuss this situation and why she decided to handle it the way she did.

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We’re back, boom, part two, the B episode for authors delving into that.

Jennifer, is this your first book, the year of the, what is that your first book?

[00:35:38] Jennifer: It’s my first novel. It is not my first book. So my first book was published in 2014 and it was a collection of poetry. And it was published as like an offshoot of trying to get your, of the slut published which is now year of the what?

Because. It was based on my one woman show where I basically chose five poems, five racy poems that I had written, and I created a story arc around these five poems. There is some poetry in year of the, what, there are a few of the poems in the book, but when I was trying to pitch that to some different publishers, one gentlemen that I came across, I just, I wanted to have a backup because I always knew that I wanted to have a collection of my poetry published as well.

And this is like coming on. Like the height of 50 shades of gray being the biggest book in the world. So it’s erotic poetry and the book is called oral sex oral with an a, because I think I’m clever and probably is meant to be listened to and write a loud. So it’s called oral sex, naughty notes for levers.

So that was my first book. And it’s not available anymore. I got a little disheartened through the process, so it was available on Amazon for a couple of years. And then I took it down and decided to go forward with a year of the slut, full force on my own without partnering with anybody.

[00:37:17] Stephen: You said you’re working on a SQL. So what are some things through this process that you have learned that you’re doing different now than you did when you started,

[00:37:26] Jennifer: I’m utilizing more help? Yes. So the first time around, I guess I was a little cocky because the play had done well and I had won an award for it.

So when I wrote my first draft of the book. Oh. And also because an agent had said, oh, write that book and I’ll wreck you. So I took things for granted in the sense that like I sent the manuscript to him without sending it to a proofreader or an editor first, because I was like he said he was going to wrap it.

I’ll just send it to him when it’s done. I’m like, no, honey no. That’s not how it works, but you don’t know what you don’t know. I was so green and I was so naive about the literary world. Like why did I know? I didn’t need an editor for my play. That’s what my director was for to tell me what worked and what didn’t and what jokes were funny and which ones were terrible.

Yeah over the course of all the rejections, so I first started, I just sent it to five girlfriends, five of my squad who were avid readers and who had an interest in books. One was a journalist, one was a teacher, one was a English professor. One was my sister-in-law one was my best friend.

And I just sent it to that group and took for granted that they all thought it was great and their excitement, and didn’t seek professional help, which I should have. So yeah, so this time around definitely like working with a writing coach to help me with story structure and working with those people as I go, as opposed to being set in my way.

And then pushing back with an editor again. You know the direction they’re trying to push me in. So having those conversations prior to him having three drafts already written and rewritten, so things like that.

[00:39:20] Stephen: Oh, good. That’s part of it though is learning. And I think there’s a lot of authors that have heard some of the same advice, but disregard it and end up learning the same thing.

So maybe we can help some people let me

[00:39:32] Jennifer: put it this way. Michael Jackson, even up until his last album worked with a vocal coach, Michael Jackson, the greatest singer of all time. Who’d had a career since he was like five years old, used a vocal coach. If that doesn’t mean anything to you, then I can’t help

[00:39:59] Stephen: you.

Because we’re all blind to our own art. I’ve learned that the hard way and I’m sure many other authors have also. So when you’re writing a, what do you use to write? What services, what software, what’s the tools you use.

[00:40:12] Jennifer: Yeah. So I am so old fashion. I outline everything with a pen and a notebook.

So I literally hand I begin handwriting because I liked I’m the type of writer. I like to know my story beats. I know some writers just to dive in and they don’t know where they’re going to go. I like to know. I like to flesh out my character descriptions. I like to know my story beats.

I like to have a map. I call it a road. Sometimes I detour off the map, once I get heated up and I’m writing, so that’s like the first go-to is I’ll start with a fresh notebook that’s for that particular project. And and it’s even like a cool sensorial process of picking a book that speaks to like artwork on the book that speaks to what I’m trying to write or trying to say.

So every time I look at it, before I open it up or if I’m in mid-thought and I close it and I look at the front of it it keeps reinforcing what this story is about, because sometimes we can get lost. Like sometimes our ideas can get very convoluted and there, one thing I’ve learned about filmmaking is.

You have to have one consistent idea that the story is driving at from beginning, middle and end. Of course, there’s going to be, like the B storyline and the C storyline and the guest stars and the supporting characters, but you have to stay consistent with that overarching idea, so I, so that’s one of the things that I do. It’s a weird visual thing, but I like to do that keeps me on track. And then I just use Microsoft word and I just do my manuscript from there. And then, I send it, I work with an editor and a proof reader, and then I have somebody format it for me for the final product.

Do you, is there a better software?

[00:42:11] Stephen: I’ve heard all sorts. I personally use Scrivener. I fell in love with Scrivener. I did start with word and very quickly realized I’m like, okay, once I get to page 327 and I’ve got 17 chapters and I’m trying to move something or look something up as were just wasn’t for me, I realized so Scribner I discovered quickly allows you to do a corkboard mode and it’s almost like index cards and you can write little notes.

So it’s okay, this chapter, summary and chapter, and then you could literally just move them around and then you go into the binder and every chapter is its own little file. And it just, for me makes,

[00:42:51] Jennifer: That’s, it’s so funny because I will use post-it notes and I will use a white board.

And I guess I’m just more of a tactile person. Like my brain gets a little scrambled when everything’s digital, so that’s why I like having my notebook and, and my math and a lot of times. For when I’m working on a script, I will have I’ll have one white board for my character outlines in my character arcs, and then I’ll have another white board and I use post-it notes because you can just stick them and move them around.

And then I’ll color coat, like a storyline B storyline, and I’ll I’ll make sure that everything kind of corresponds correctly. So the Scrivener sounds like an amazing tool. I just don’t know if my brain would benefit from that because I like having. Physically,

[00:43:40] Stephen: That’s the thing.

I, I think I’ve learned in discovered and I tell others try a little bit of everything and see what works best for you. Cause there’s multiple choices, if you, I think Scrivener has like a 30 day trial or they may even do one of those things where you can, you just can’t compile to our final form.

So let you try it all out. It works for some people and not for others. Just try it, see what works for you. Get whatever works for you the best so you can write and you don’t have to worry so much about your tools.

[00:44:08] Jennifer: Yes. I’m definitely gonna look it up though. Now that I’m aware of

[00:44:11] Stephen: it. Cool.

I’d love to hear back from you later. See if you liked it or if it just didn’t work, that’d be cool. Yeah. Thanks for sharing. So let’s talk a little bit about censorship. This is an interesting topic with you because you ran into problems with your book initially. So why don’t you give everybody the story of what happened and how it affected you, affected your book and thinking and all of that?

[00:44:35] Jennifer: Okay. So my one woman show was called year of the slut, and I got so many great responses from the title. And this is like my favorite story. And this is how I knew I had a great title. So it was literally December 31st, new year’s Eve. I was in Santa Monica. A friend of mine was visiting me from Canada and we were in a store and Robert Downey Jr.

Was in the store. And I had just seen him at a Q and a, for one of his films at the director’s Guild. And I was just thinking, oh my God, it was Robert junior. And he was like in Cognito, he had a cap on and he had this like bright orange hoodie. Like he didn’t look cool. He didn’t look like a movie star.

He was dressed like. Please don’t come up and

[00:45:34] Stephen: talk to me.

[00:45:35] Jennifer: Yeah. You know what I mean? And I was just like, oh my God. And I think he’s brilliant. He’s one of my favorite actors. Top of the list of somebody I would die to work with. And I was, I, my friends like go give him a postcard, give him a postcard for your show. Go give them a postcard. My show wasn’t happening until February of that year.

By the end of December, I already had some marketing materials, not the final ones, but I had some marketing materials and it was just like, I don’t mind.

So finally we’re like outside the store and she’s you got to give them a postcard, just wait around. He’s going to come out. Eventually, just give him a postcard. And he walks out and. He could tell that I was waiting for him and he just like B lines, pass me down the sidewalk and, and I’m like scurrying to catch up to him and I’m like, I just wanted to congratulate you.

And he’s what? And I’m like, I saw you at the Q and a, for your new movie. And he’s like, where? And I was like, so like anything and, I couldn’t answer his questions and he, I can tell he’s running away from me. And I’m like, I know you’re running away from me, but I really, it was one of those awkward moments.

Of course, I didn’t say I know you’re running away from me, but I knew he

[00:46:51] Stephen: was running away. I would have said, I know you’re running away. I know. And it’s

[00:46:56] Jennifer: funny because now. Knowing what I know now I would approach the situation much differently. And now I have more confidence to talk to celebrities.

I’ve worked with some celebrities at this point in my life, but back then, I didn’t really my nerves. My, I just blinked. So anyway, finally, I was like, I’m sorry to bother you. I just wanted to give you a postcard to my one-woman show. And he was like, fine. And he like, I was behind him and he just kinda, put his hand back give me your card and F off type of thing.

He didn’t say that, but it was very clear in his body language. And I give him my card and he looks at it and he’s You’re the

[00:47:35] Stephen: slut

[00:47:36] Jennifer: around and he’s this is your one woman show. I was like, yeah, I think it’s this is a great

[00:47:43] Stephen: title. Awesome.

[00:47:47] Jennifer: I wish you all the best with this show. I hope it’s great.

And so from being somebody who was like, literally running away from me, he looked at the title, he looked at the artwork and he like stopped and engaged, even though it was just for a fleeting 30 seconds, it was enough to impact him. And he actually folded the card and put it in his, like in his pocket, on his person, he didn’t toss it away, which I’ve given out lots of postcards for lots of shows and people just toss him on the ground right in front of you.

They don’t even go to the wastebasket. They don’t even go to a cycle band. They just toss it. And they’re like, Oh, I was so I knew because it was sanctioned by Robert Downey Jr. That I had a great title. I had a great

[00:48:31] Stephen: title. So

[00:48:33] Jennifer: you can imagine how I was married to the title and don’t, and let’s not forget that when I was brainstorming ideas with the woman who was encouraging me to do the show, she shot down a whole bunch of my ideas until I jokingly blurted out this title.

And she was like, oh yeah, that’s a great title. Like it’ll grab people. So I was very confident with the title year of the slut. And, isn’t really a story about a slot? Maybe, but not in the way you think, like it’s, and like I said, very tongue in cheek and because that’s the other thing, the character in the story.

Anything more than sleeping with the man. Who’s going to be, your husband is considered a slut. So for her to go on the journey where she has more than one sexual partner in her mind, that is a slut, because what is, what does that word mean anyway? So she goes on and finds out in this book, what that word means to her and redefines what that word means to her and would have considered her roommate, the dominatrix, a slut, even though the roommate has an IQ off the charts and is brilliant and is, a really together solid person.

So anyway, It’s long story short. Finally, after many years, in many rejections and many ghosting of many people, a friend convinces me to just self publish the book. Even if it never goes anywhere from just having a picture of it on Amazon. So I did, and I hired a marketing manager and I was actually like, really jazzed about it.

I thought like this is going to be good. Like, why wouldn’t people want to read your, the sled? They were 50 shades of gray, the red sex in the city. Like this is a genre that women enjoy. Like why wouldn’t people buy it? They’d have to know about it first. And there’s the problem. So what happened was, you would think the internet considering was like built on porn.

You would think the internet would love us.

[00:50:48] Stephen: You just run the wrong services.

[00:50:51] Jennifer: Yeah. Facebook doesn’t like sleds as woke as Facebook thinks they are, you would think like the woke, his company in the world would embrace the sluts, but they don’t, and then it’s like, Instagram, how do you get famous on Instagram?

You show your tits and your ass, Instagram love sleds. They just don’t love the word

[00:51:10] Stephen: slut.

[00:51:11] Jennifer: Once again, I’m just going to preface, like I’m not calling Instagram models, slides, I’m being very tongue in cheek. I’m being very comical about it, but it’s okay, you put up prop provocative pictures of scantily clad women.

But God forbid I advertise a book that has a conversation about what is acceptable and unacceptable sexual conduct for women. Meanwhile, 99% of all the Instagram influencers are selling sex. In their imagery. I’m not saying that they’re sex workers, please don’t get that wrong. But if you’re showing, if you’re in bathing suits and you’re showing your booty and you’re showing cleavage, you are selling sex, that is what you’re selling.

You’re

[00:52:02] Stephen: selling image. It’s discrimination. Then it’s wait a second. Yeah.

[00:52:08] Jennifer: Yeah. You know what I mean? So it’s really funny because I’m not comfortable posting scantily clad pictures of myself. That would be more acceptable on Instagram than actually having an intellectual conversation about sexuality and about females.

And. Sax and permissibility. So there’s like the cognitive dissidence that we’re living with is it’s beyond. Yeah. And this is just one very tiny little category of it in our society. So yeah, so I was censored by Facebook, Instagram, and Amazon where the book is available. So I could post about the book and I could post, excerpts from the book and things like that.

I could not do any advertising. So posts, only people who are in my friends group can see. So I was censored from breaking the barrier of moving beyond my friends group with this book. So it, so I was dead in the water and for a year. I was trying really hard to find a way to circumnavigate the situation and figure out how to get the book out there and how to like, beat the algorithm of censorship.

And it just was not happening. And then in September of 2019, about a year after the book launched a colleague of mine, who’s also an author and has a literary service. She teaches writing at a few different colleges. She’s why don’t you change the title? And I’m like what the title is why I won the award.

The title is why this show exists. The titles, why the book exists? Robert Downey Jr. Likes the title. I can’t change the title. That’s the, and then a few months go by and I’m literally rereading Napoleon Hill’s think and grow rich as I reread every few years. And I, it was new year’s day.

I was like halfway through the book and I come across the chapter about an author who couldn’t sell his book and change the title and became a bestseller. And I thought it was way too much of a coincidence that I hit that chapter on new year’s day of 2020. And that at that moment, I was like, okay, fine.

I can be right. Or it can be right about my title or I can be successful.

[00:54:42] Stephen: And again, I’ve said it a couple of times there was the lesson. It’s actually, this is a topic discussed at times about rebranding retitle and all that. And there you go. But I got a couple questions. Let me back up. First of all I do remember an episode of big bang theory where Leonard ends up having sex with this older lady to get money for the college.

And penny calls him a slut. So it is used in, in,

[00:55:11] Jennifer: you used all the time it’s used on network television. It’s not one of the seven words that sensor,

[00:55:16] Stephen: So I find that interesting that the internet companies, but let me ask this, do you think that. Using words like that is more acceptable in the plays or the live theater, as opposed to books in that.

Because I remember when the vagina monologues came out and that was a big deal, but it’s now accepted and you see it. And I think they’ve even people have come to grass with if it’s a medical term, so do you think that it’s something that will change or, is plays?

[00:55:47] Jennifer: So I did a couple of marketing courses, online marketing courses about social media marketing while my book was going through this like rebranding stage. And so I don’t think it’s an issue with words. I think it’s a specific issue with these companies trying to be too woke. So this is what we have to all remember.

These are businesses that have one goal, keeping people on their platforms as long as possible. So when I was taking these courses, the guy that was teaching the course use the example of, if you are a personal trainer, you cannot get an ad approved. If you have a before and an after photo of somebody getting results from your training or from your program, because that is considered fat shaming, you can have before and after photos in your posts, you can have before and after photos in your page, on your story, et cetera.

You cannot use it in an advertisement because then Facebook or Instagram or Amazon is condoning this fat shaming.

[00:57:08] Stephen: I didn’t know that.

[00:57:10] Jennifer: So that’s where we are in terms of, they’re not catering to a reasonable number of the population when they decide what ads get approved and what ads get disapproved.

They are catering to the most offended, most sensitive person who is looking to get angry because there’s a lot of those people on the internet and they have their standards raised to that level of. Is this going to make the most sensitive person angry? If so, we’re not taking a chance, right?

[00:57:50] Stephen: If it’s going to trigger somebody, somebody’s going to get us.

[00:57:54] Jennifer: Exactly. And that’s, but I don’t think that’s helpful. That is not, you’re not trying. You’re not getting, what do I even say? It’s like you’re training the world to not be able to deal with reality. Is that the most political correct way of saying it? Like people can’t deal with

[00:58:21] Stephen: reality. Everybody is entitled and everybody gets offended at, snap of a finger.

[00:58:29] Jennifer: Yeah. So anyway, so I went back and forth trying to figure out like what the new title would be and here of the, what sounds so simple. And it’s even in the first chapter, when the dominatrix roommate, says to the protagonist this is going to be your year of the slut and the character response year of the one, like getting her ready.

Every girl goes through this stage of her life, where she realizes, and once again, the word slut means different things for different people. Like for the character in this book, having sex with more than one man, your entire life would make you a slut, so that was her reality.

And it does, and sex doesn’t necessarily mean intercourse. It can be hooking up. It can be, just messing around or whatever. We don’t need to get into the details of it, but it doesn’t mean like actual intercourse. But I was like hemming and hiding for like weeks and sending different friends, different ideas.

And then it ended up being something so simple that was already written into the book.

[00:59:36] Stephen: Okay. And you’ve had a lot more success with it. Now

[00:59:40] Jennifer: I have, I definitely have. And I have a fabulous publicist Mickey at creative edge publicity. Whereas I had a couple of publicists turned me down. Initially when I first launched the book with the year of the slot title, a friend of mine, sister’s a publicist and she’s I work for too many family oriented businesses.

I can’t take you on it’s a conflict of interest. So I even publicists had turned me down. Because they just felt like it was too controversial or too risque and they didn’t want to take a chance with it. But I have a fabulous publicist. Who’s getting me fabulous interviews with the likes of yourself.

And he’s gotten me some really great reviews from literary review websites and blogs and things like that. And it’s just amazing because when people actually take the time to open up the book and look past the cover, there is something of merit in there and there’s something that everybody can relate to.

And there’s that personal journey of getting past your own issues, getting cause a lot of times in life, like we’re our own worst enemy and we got to get past our own mental blocks. Before we can start to thrive or start to succeed in different things that we’re doing. And so th that’s, that’s all in the book.

The character goes through all of that, and she’s so desperate to find love. Meanwhile, she’s not in love with herself.

[01:01:14] Stephen: And I think that the issue with. They do get too heavy handed because for example, your second book is going to be booked too, but it’s about the year of the bitch. You said I’ll make sure I put a warning for parents that there’s some terms they may not like, but what I’m getting at is there are dog breeders that use that word in relation to their dog breeding, and it’s an accepted word for them.

And what it’s describing is exactly what they mean. And if they have issues doing any marketing because I’ve written some divorce books w if you’re divorcing somebody with a narcissism or borderline personality disorder, and the terms that people look up are crazy ex and toxic ex, but I can’t make any ads that refer to crazy ex or toxic X, even though that’s the terminology, people are looking up, I’m trying to find this.

[01:02:06] Jennifer: I did not grow up in a time of trigger warnings, and I, like I said, I don’t think this hypersensitivity on social media or in our culture in general helps anybody. I think we really have to be able to deal with the reality of what is, and what is the world is not that safe. The world doesn’t come with a trigger warning.

The world comes with lots of words that might upset us or offend us, but that’s going to teach us more about our own issues than about the person using those words. And maybe we need to look in the mirror and come to grips with, something in our own psyche or our own personality that we need to deal with in order to be able to be part of that.

A healthy functioning society where words are not censored and ideas are not censored because that is the only way that we can move forward and thrive as a society.

[01:03:09] Stephen: Yeah. I have an open society where people can express their own thoughts and ideas and have everything be censored because somebody is offended or some it’s like move on.

Whatever happened to the sticks and stones rhyme. Our kids learning that anymore, no, they’re

[01:03:25] Jennifer: not, because now words hurt more than a broken arm apparently, and even like we take for granted, for example, the word bullying, I’m sure when you were growing up, you got teased.

When I grew up, I got teased. I had an older brother who would tease me all the time. He doesn’t tease me anymore. He’s now one of my closest friends. He would tease me a lot. Teasing was not bullying. And today, any type of light form of teasing is called bullying. And I actually was listening to a podcast where an educator was talking about how the fact that kids aren’t being teased anymore means that there’s this whole part of their childhood and their development.

That’s not being developed. Totally agree. And it’s where children learn how to self-regulate within their own peer groups. And self-regulating means that they can tease each other, but then they will, the kids will decide when teasing crosses over into bullying. Because there’s a healthy amount of teasing and razzing, especially, I don’t know if you played any sports as a kid or were on any teams.

[01:04:41] Stephen: I was I was a nerd in a sports oriented school

[01:04:45] Jennifer: okay. So the I’m sure there was some teasing and summarizing, and maybe under those circumstances, it did cross the line into bullying.

[01:04:55] Stephen: And I love that, man. That’s a personal mission. Almost. I’ve gotten, I’m working on a talk goes right along with this.

I totally understand and agree with that. And I’m trying to get our parents to understand. And I know parents my, my son, he’s got long hair. He’s got beautiful long hair. But I’ll say, all right, shut up. You long-haired hippie freak and he’ll laugh. I’m not, but there are other parents that if I say that to their kid, they’re immediately upset and the kid’s crying and they’re like, whoa, hold on.

I was playing this isn’t even like locker room teasing. This is just casual, joking. If you really want to get some hardcore teasing, come down to the group. I go to the replay cards once a month or so we, we tease each other pretty hardcore, but it’s never a personal attack. And I think some people don’t know how to tease without it being a personal attack.

And some people don’t know how to take teasing without thinking it’s a personal attack. But along those lines, what you said about broken bones, My kids had friends come over who were afraid to climb trees cause they would get hurt. And it’ll both of these things. Kids can’t be teased cause they’re too sensitive.

They can’t climb trees because they might get hurt. I it’s man, I’m really afraid for future generations. The

[01:06:13] Jennifer: thing is it’s like, how do these children grow up to be functioning adults who can actually deal with adversity and deal with problems and deal with when things don’t go there, what are you going

[01:06:28] Stephen: to do?

When you go to a job interview and you don’t get hired or you are hired and then they fire you or

[01:06:35] Jennifer: God forbid what happens. When somebody in your family gets a terminal illness and you have to deal with that type of adversity, you have to, there’s so many disappointments.

That we’re going to have to deal with in life, regardless of how hard we try and, coddle and protect our loved ones. And, being able to deal with hardships, being able to, have some sort of resilience, being able to deal with failure with rejection, with that’s just part of life.

And if we’re not teaching and allowing children first of all, allowing children to go through these disappointments and then teaching them how to become resilient, I am afraid for what this world is going to be like in the next 20 years. What kind of leaders are we going to have? What kind of leadership is there going to be?

What happens if we have to go to war? What happens if we have to defend ourselves like. These things are inevitable. What happens when there’s a natural disaster? What happens when we have to make sacrifices and make difficult idea, difficult decisions about how to move forward with the future.

[01:07:47] Stephen: And w we talked a bit in the last half of the podcast about perspective, puts it all in perspective about how big of a deal is it really to change the title of your book? Sometimes I think we lose our perspective on those things. Though I personally would have rather had the book with its original title.

And even it, because. If I had a kid and they asked what that was now it’s a conversation. I need to talk to my kid about it. And there is a, a little bit desensitation sensitive tation, you know what I’m trying to say that if I’m going to get so upset, if I’m called some word, but I see it and I hear it more often.

It doesn’t mean as much. And by hiding any of these words that are triggers or are hurtful and this, that, and the other thing, it gives them even more power. And that’s, I think part of the problem.

[01:08:39] Jennifer: Yes. I completely agree with you. And the other thing is, this book isn’t for children,

[01:08:45] Stephen: Jordan getting upset about

[01:08:47] Jennifer: it, and it’s funny because one of the reviewers who reviewed the book on scribbles worth.

He has a podcast. And he was saying that like anyone, 13, 14 or older should be reading this book. This isn’t just a book. It is a guide. It is a guide, and he, he was, he’s like a huge champion of the book talking about like the importance it has in society, because it has a lot of things in there that nothing ever gets discussed, and about a girl coming from a sheltered upbringing where nothing was really discussed.

And she had these very naive ideas of what her future was going to look like and what sexuality was and things like that. And one of the things that I like to remind people about is nobody ever talks about sexual health and that having sexual desires. It’s actually healthy. And if a grown adult male or female goes to the doctor and says, I haven’t had a sex drive in X amount of months or X amount of years, that’s actually an indicator that there is something medically wrong beyond sexual function with that person.

And it’s actually an indicator for lots of different psychological illnesses, mental illnesses, and even some physical ailments

[01:10:16] Stephen: for as advanced as we’ve become. We really haven’t progressed that far in the last 5,000 years or so.

[01:10:23] Jennifer: That’s the whole thing. It’s still like this kind of Puritan mentality.

And, in, in Europe, it’s very different. They’re a little more laissez-faire about, sex and sexuality and.

[01:10:34] Stephen: Do you think, or did you even look into keeping the title for other countries? Do you think it would have worked?

[01:10:40] Jennifer: I think in all the English speaking countries, the algorithm would be the same.

And I haven’t gotten to a point yet where I’ve looked into any sort of translation, but it is a possibility who knows where this can go. I’m actually hoping secretly that the book does well enough. I can go back to my original title,

[01:11:03] Stephen: Maybe. Jennifer, before we go do you have any last minute advice for new authors?

[01:11:09] Jennifer: Just take one little step each day. When you look at the big picture and you think about the whole project, it can be really daunting. So break it up into small little tasks and small little pieces that are bite-size and manageable. That would be number one. And number two is ask for help, even if you can’t afford to hire somebody, there are so many resources online, and there are so many artists with just a generous spirit where they’re happy to talk about their experience and give little tidbits of advice for free.

So definitely get help. It takes a village to achieve anything in this world and surround yourself with a village of support.

[01:11:56] Stephen: There you go. Great. Thank you. I love that. Thanks for all the advice and all the talk today. That was wonderful. I wish you luck on your.

[01:12:03] Jennifer: Thank you so much, Stephen. Thanks for having me.

It’s been a pleasure. Great.

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